Subsonic 9mm titegroup. I like TiteGroup in all of my handgun loads .

Subsonic 9mm titegroup 6grs VV N320 with a 147gr round nose plated or FMJ. I was perusing the load data Looking at other subsonic round data, I needed a heavier bullet. 356 on the 350L, achieving transonic velocities (~850 fps). 1141 Cartridge C SHOLD : Gr. L. I'm pretty sure all your 147g loads in 9mm will be subsonic, won't they? You can even load major power factor for a Steel Challenge open gun without going supersonic. I have found charge weights that fall in the allowable range. Posted: 8/30/2015 7:00:50 PM EST 9mm TMJ® RN 9mm GDHP Weight (grains) 124 Ballistic Coefficient 0. 3gr of Titegroup / SPP / 1. 365 inch). TiteGroup works well, just isn’t ideal for . 4gr of titegroup under a 147gr pill is a pretty standard subsonic load. 5 or 3. 3 grains (depending on what gun) will get you there. 2gr of Hodgdon Titegroup. I have PowerPistol, Titegroup, CFE Pistol and ETR-7 from Expansion Industries. 2 grn. 0 gn of titegroup, with the 0. I've loaded as low as 100gr up to 147gr. 13 Range Brass 4. 0gr is 954fps 25300CUP. I'm going to give TiteGroup a try too, and am still trying to locate some Trailboss powder. 6-2. These powders are best used for target competition Any info or advice you'd give for loading good subsonic 9mm (with 244, if possible), or info or advice on win 244 in general is greatly appreciated. My personal load is 3. 380. View Profile I have found that light charges of fast powder - around 3 grains of Titegroup, 700X, or Sport Pistol was the best way to stay subsonic with 9mm 147 XTP - Subsonic. I just bought a Sig 226R Combat You would load 3 grains of Titegroup under a 147gr. 160” is not only a great minor load, it’s also subsonic and perfect for suppressor use because it is very clean. 7 963 6. 124 gr. More about this powder: As the name implies, this spherical propellant was designed for accuracy. 7gr Titegroup with a 124 jacketed bullet in my G19 for subsonic, cycles fine with a suppressor. Any data would be appreciated. With my setup using the . 150". 44 mag, . Now all that said, here's the two aspects I'm curious about. This was back before subsonic loads were popular. 1grs. 2 grns of N330 with a 147 grn Delta Precision or a Plated Bullet. WA TE R CASE TYPE: Rem 1-1/2 9mm Luger - 124 grain Version 9. 0gr Titegroup, Fed primer, 147gr Ibejihead, 1. Plated bullets, cast bullets, and jacketed bullets are different animals, and will perform differently. Among cleaner burning powders. 2 but depending on the weather I would get the occasional supersonic crack. By Eyorkfd March 5, 2013 in 9mm/38 3. Now jump to present day and the fact I now own a 9mm Uzi that i'm learning to load 147 gr subsonic suppressed and my past hated Titegroup is now my goto powder for this specific application. I'll be using 147g RNFP coated bullets from Acme and 147g jacketed. Reply reply DUCK_FACE_JONES • If not going to reload, at least get a cheap chronograph to see if you are subsonic or not. Joined Dec 2023; Posts 2; EE 0% (0) WV, USA. fmj. Quoted: Sub moa from a bench and A zone with rifle. 22LR. bdt. was smoothest and cycled best out of BE-86, Titegroup, HP-38. 45 ACP? Is a 9mm Luger the same as a 9×19? Is a 9mm US a 9mm Luger? If you reload and shoot multiple caliber firearms, be aware of unsafe firearm and ammunition combinations. Pick a powder you can find is probably how I would go about it if I was starting today. 37 orifice 4. AA5744 didn't work well. Hodgdon's shows a 125gr but with a min 4. 4 grains and/or 1070fps) if you The problem with cast lead 9mm bullets is that the shape can really make a difference when it comes to C. That's obviously enough to push those 147s too fast. 9mm load data with Titegroup 147 gr. Some basic info: Gen4 G34 Stock barrel 13 lb. It they actually work. Jump to content 147 gr. Note that you're posting in the General Reloading Section. My current 9mm load is: 124gr plated RN 4. Member Benefits: Fewer Ads! Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership; Discuss anti-gun legislation My subsonic 147 load with berrys plated bullets is 3. 8 gr. Share in general for coated bullets I use 3. R. 3993 3998 Propellant Case Primer Weight (grains) Muzzle Velocity Hodgdon TITEGROUP Speer CCI 500 4. 130". Posted: 12/24 147 bullets are the great choice. I picked up 8lbs of it yesterday from a FB marketplace deal for a good price. i attribute the inconsistent results with the adjustable bar to Been trying to find a pet load using Xtreme 147gr + Titegroup combo. The Titegroup and 147 load will be your best bet for suppressor use. I shoot a lot of 9mm, so I recently purchased a Bear Creek Arsenal threaded Glock 17 barrel that has performed Best Powder for 147grain Subsonic 9mm loads . Just wondered what you guys would use to get the sound suppression down a little bit more Winchester case, cci small pistol primer, with 3. 303. Recommend Titegroup for more loads than most powders. 120" Speer Part No. 1 to max 4. 1 gr. I will shoot subsonic 124's but out of my pistol. 155 or even 1. Feb 22, 2012 #5 i have loaded tons of 9mm subsonic with old & new unique---any 147 bullet with 4. and 8 lb. I have used Titegroup, CFE Pistol, 800x, Unique and VV3N37 and all made subsonic 9mm with 147 gr jacketed bullets (zero and precision delta). 150 OAL. 2 grains of Titegroup. 5 grains along a 165 grain plated 9mm bullet sized to . Jump to Latest 3. 1127 9mm Luger - 124 grain Version 9. 5 993 5. 5" barrel and SWR Octane 9HD Suppressor. 3 gn. I'm scouting around for components for rifle reloading in . 1 957 CFE Pistol 5. 5gr TG. it. I had issues with faster powders (Titegroup, N320, Bullseye) not running everything 100%. Another angle of N320 not filling the case that much. 30-06, 9mm, 44 Mag, 10mm, 454 Casull • Additional comment actions. I have been loading a 124gr plated RN bullet, 3. Titegroup 4. I stopped shooting competition so I still have some 124's left to burn through but I've been grabbing 147's and plan to totally switch over so I have one load that's subsonic I can use in all my guns. That helped but I was only able to shave off a hundred or two fps, still supersonic when the action started having cycle issues. Test with different ammo and find those that are subsonic in your particular weapon at least. There are pistol caliber rifles. 8gr titegroup is my "works in most guns" load. “Blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth. 150" . 7 * 980 3. /Fed. ARCHIVED; Armory » Silencers. Looking at Hodgden site for Titegroup: 9mm Luger, 115 GR. I normally load a 125 gr round nose flat point cast from a MP mold. I just got a Glock 17 and a CGS Mod 9 suppressor. At those prices, it costs me . 147gr copper plated bullet over 3. 4 grains of Titegroup, I think 1. Full 16” barrel with suppressor. Running around -30db in my YHM Wraith on my Max-11 and about the same on my MK-760. Found this snapshot floating around and was wondering if anyone had experience with this combo. Titegroup's unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. Some of the variation is due to temperature and powder density differences from lot to lot. 0 gr. I've prepped a bunch of 9mm cases and I'm probably gonna run about 50 tonight and see how they do tomorrow. Back in the 80's I used to load 158 grain cast roundnose in a model 39 S&W and they chrongraphed at 850-900fps and it was a very acurate load. 3 grain charge of the Titegroup (including sales tax). This will be my first time loading a 147 grain bullet. N320 is super soft shooting but hard to locate and expensive. -X I've also worked up a 124 gr. One I just changed my Subsonic load to 4. I loaded I'm thinking about working up a 115gr 9mm Titegroup load for my PCC. Unless you get numbers for the exact bullet you're using, the C. 223/5. ) very satisfied with it Now that I have suppressors, I’m very interested in subsonic loads for pistols and rifles that I shoot frequently. 1,317. Pretty much any bullet at 147gr or heavier will be subsonic in a 9mm even with a 16" barrel unless you're loading 9mm I could use some advice on gearing up to hand load for a suppressed 9mm. Titegroup 3. Subsonic loads for 9mm 147 TC ? I am shooting both a handgun and PCC in 9mm with suppressor. When loading I usually get a +/- Need recipes for a g34 Glock for a 147g coated bullet with titegroup. 1 grn, titegroup oal. It works well. The loads highlighted in yellow are those that I found work best for me. Patron Member NRA "I would not be an old man if I had not been an armed young man. 1000 fps from your pistol and you will still be subsonic from even a 16 inch carbine even when it is really cold. Preferred 9mm subsonic powders? Thread starter dieselrealtor; Start date May 20, 2024; Welcome to the Indiana Gun Forum - Why Become a Member? Bullseye, N320, and Titegroup. their accuracy load for 50 used Titegroup powder, and the excellent Hornady HAP 9mm subsonic PCC suppressed reloading Thread starter Melnic; Start date Nov 16, 2021; The #1 community for Gun Owners of the Northeast. It meters really well in my 650 Posted: 2/7/2011 7:00:52 PM EST [#10] I dug around and found a slightly new speer loading manual. 8 1041 4. ECM4. 2. I am currently reloading 147gr 9mm for subsonic through my Scorpion. 7 gr Titegroup for 124/125 gr bullets but I use a much shorter OAL for the 124/125 gr bullets. Have also used AA#2. r Well-known member. Titegroup is perfect, but I just don't like it with coated bullets. 090 cci 500 spp I shoot these out of my SR9c with a 3. , but to achieve that title it has taken more than a century, along with the development of new powders, bullets and guns. See 3,000+ New Gun Deals HERE. 5K views 10 replies 7 participants last post by JamieC May 11, 2017. 9mm 160 Gr. 090 to ensure positive chambering without contacting the lands. 4gr of Titegroup under a 147gr Berry's or X-Treme plated round nose. Posted: 9/29/2023 10:52:19 PM EST and 124's much more than the 147 gr bullets. I'm new here, so I'll learn how things go around here. The short and sweet of it, this is data for standard pressures as well as +P pressures, so know what you have and what you can work with safely. I load to an OAL of 1. 4 inch barrel and they are very accurate. titegroup oal 1. Finding loading data is kinda hard online. 0 1020 4. 7 gr of Titegroup, OAL 1. By JohnS23 January 13, 2019 in 9mm/38 Caliber. If you are using 124s, trying to be subsonic may be reliability issues and hard to do from carbine. FWIW you're not going to find to much data with Titegroup pushing 147gr 9mm bullet . From the 9mm Luger - 147 grain Version 9. 1111 5. My go to load for subsonic 9mm is 3. 147gr plated RN with Titegroup. 6 - 4. decided to switch to titegroup for the second 1k. Most rifle loadings are all supersonic, so subsonic loads are specially down-loaded to stay below the speed of sound. Myself I prefer 115 and 124's much more than the 147 gr bullets. Brass: New Starline 9mm Primer: CCI 500 or Federal Bullets: Rainier 147grain plated for now Powder: Have Winchester WST and Titegroup ( this is what I am not sure of ) I have been handloading for a year now and in a few months will have my new suppressor in hand. bullets with Titegroup is starting to get out of hand. 40 S&W, . Clean. 2Gr Bullseye (Speer manual starting load) – 5 shot average – 994 Fps 147 gr 9mm w/ titegroup. I normally load Xtreme 147gr with Titegroup 3. I've got quite a bit of Hodgdon TiteGroup powder which I bought for my pistol loads. the 160gr bullets with 2. some brass is too thick and will be too large/ wide w a long 165 bullet seated. For powder I tried Accurate #2, solo 1000, titegroup and bullseye. 44 Mag, . Longer oal= safer, better feeding in most guns, lower pressure, longer lasting brass, I have to keep the load down to stay subsonic with the 38 spl in the 16" barrel. 150" OAL but I would have to doublecheck that. Most everything points towards using 147 gr bullets. definitely use chamber gauge or at least plunk test. Power Bond bullet 4. Good luck. Today there are so many more suitable powders. I Just about any standard 147g 9mm/Titegroup loading is going to be subsonic, no? It's just important to remember, any time you set out to develop a subsonic load, start high and My go to load for subsonic 9mm is 3. 2gr Titegroup 1. Hodgdon's shows lowest velocities for 115 gr above 1000 fps except with CLAYS powder. 1g to 3. 2gr loads or even factory ammo are nothing special. 5 Speer CCI 500 5. I loaded them up with 2. My inventory is all 115 grain bullets. What is available in your local area?? W231/Clays and Bullseye are OK, just depends if you are willing to drop another $10 a pound for a cleaner gun (Vit 320 powder). 6gr of Titegroup make a real mild recoil. 156 M AX IU S O . Also, subsonic 100-115 weren't stable in my glocks. Seems to be a low-mid performance powder in . Posted: 10/2/2019 9:59:43 PM EST [#17] No 9mm subsonic and suppressors Well it took 11 months but I finally got the OK from the powers that be and got my suppressor. For my first attempt I'm going to try Power Pistol, but for 9mm I have HS-6, Clays, Titegroup, 700X, HP38, and BE available to work with. 9mm amazingly quiet. 5" barrel. com/ultimatereloaderNow that I have suppressors, 147gr and just enough powder to group well - 3. 8gr and with the . I can hit . New frontier armory has 9s. I use 3. It may be good for the application though , just saying I use both Titegroup and 147gr bullets in Hodgdon Powder Company operates following Biblical principles to honor God. 4gr of titegroup, which has me in the 950-975FPS range. 14 splits in a bill drill, but it’s my body limiting that not the ammunition or pistol. I also This all fell apart with my purchase of a Ruger PC Carbine. Rn or flat profile. Classifieds; 360 Gender: Male; Location: Oklahoma; Posted January 29, 2018. 2 grains of power 3. 7 grains of Unique and it will cycle but I prefer a little extra relaibility in cycling. Ideally you want to be 130, being subsonic is a product of meeting PF. 56 and . Tenringx2 Discussion starter. 45LC suppressed, though I have not tried it in 9mm subsonic yet I bet it will do very well. " JTJ At those prices, it costs me . mind!!! I checked my notes, but didn't record the case fill for Clays, which I am sure is good. You’ll still get port pop with the scorpion. I have about 4 lbs. 4 min to 4. suppressed or not. 5gr TiteGroup under Xtreme plated 147gr RN @ 1. 06-17-2022, 05:13 PM #3. My H&K VP-9 and SA Emissary need the COL short to avoid hitting the lands before lockup. This has been proof read and Now that I have suppressors, I’m very interested in subsonic loads for pistols and rifles that I shoot frequently. I use titegroup for 147 subsonic 9mm but it’s not clean so I’ll be curious what others say. I also have a 147gr stash for both platforms. I have decided I want to try an Xtreme 147gr. PG. Chose a fast burning powder for subsonics loads. RN bullet. 223 operates at much higher pressures) but I developed a subsonic load for . Looking for a starting point in working up a new 9mm round, new for me that is. We spent a lot of time at the range with this. Made in the USA. 2 of N320 or titegroup (same everything else) is also good but TG is not as clean. 2 MAX. CL 57% 52% 46% Titegroup does seem to be the powder of choice for a *LOT* of 9mm subgun reloaders, however. 356 (Typical) Other sizes available upon request call or email for options. Depending on elevation above sea level thats around 1100 fps. Longer oal= safer, better feeding in most guns, lower pressure, longer lasting brass, Not exactly the same thing but I just shot through a 100 count sample pack of 160gr Ibejihead coated lead RN. 160. Posted January 29, 2018. 18 cents a round. Powders include Alliant, Hodgdon, Winchester, Accurate Like the title says, I could use some advice. Solid well known load, runs around 125-130 pf and is very much subsonic. of Titegroup with mixed brass at 1. SD or HD as well as it does. If you post this question in the 9mm forum, you will get more responses. I've created a batch of 9mm with this bullet, 3. Its cheaper than HP38 too. Posted January 14, 2019. 2 868 True Blue 5. 8 MAX. 1099 Most Accurate 5. 5 Titegroup. Shot them both today. Makes minimum PF every time and shoots reliably in all of 12 of my 9mm Guns. ) is currently the most handloaded pistol cartridge in the U. Hodgdon Universal CCI 500 primer 1. ive played w the 165’s suppressed but couldnt get my G17 to cycle with it. Any lack of terminal ballistics of subsonic Thanks Guy! I’m not trying to make major, just a decent plinking powder for 9mm, and a little higher performance from an . Reactions: Apparently, way back in the day Lyman published data for 158 gn lead billets in 9mm? Among others were red dot 3. 8gr titegroup, 1. For 9mm, I use Montana Gold 147 gr CMJ bullets with 3. POWDER CHG. It works great, but didn't think about using it for rifle loads. Hornady 115 grn. 6-3. 2gr is dispensed. 150 (COL max is 1. I know this is an OLD thread, but I recently got some 9mm 158gn Campro RNFP bullets and Alliant Sport Pistol Powder, both new to me, typically I’m reloading 9mm 147gn Campro RNFP bullets with Win 231 and these shoot really well out of me Shadow 2, but recently switched to Alliant Sport Pistol Powder with the 147s and these also work well, but I’m curious My cleanest quietest 9mm subs I'm using 700x. Its a good powder. I have a bunch of 9mm guns and have arrived at loading all of my reloads at 1. I like TiteGroup in all of my handgun loads . subsonic ammo. The cases are dirty, your gun is dirty, its dirty. 6gr titegroup is barely subsonic out of my 16" 147 Berry's plated RN - 2. Jan 12, 2021 #6 M. 5gr with SNS, ACME, Bayou & Blue Bullets. This is much different than Titegroup because this is stick powder. Same situation. Mixed brass. Like the I've been reloading my 9mm with WSF mostly for years, but have been using Titegroup lately for a few other calibers, and wanted to test out some for 9mm. ITs pretty easy shooting, and very accurate. Sep 11, 2008. I was looking for a low recoil load for idpa and steel plates and this bullet powder combo delivers. OAL 1. First is burn rate, my thinking is to use as slow a powder as I can to take advantage of the longer barrel, What are the top recommended powders for 9mm/147gr/copper jacket: Suppressed. 308. 147 gr bullet and 3. The 800x grouped nicely, but there is no way to get those flakes consistently in a 9mm case with any efficiency (same with unique in my opinion). Recoil is very low, but bullet weight means I’m guaranteed to make PF. 3g Titegroup, 147g Berry's RN at 1. I get about 1170 with this load. 0 titegroup, I used to load 3. 140 OAL. I will be loading 147 grain plated bullets and want to get them down into the 950-1000fps range. Posted: 12/10/2023 7:08:01 PM EST [#4] Thanks for the info. HP-38 powder, 4. There are big bore rifles 2022-07-16 As mentioned, #7 is a bit slower and more specialized and probably best used in 124-147 grain (carbine/SMG/subsonic) loads 9mm subsonic ammo is ammo that travels slower than the speed of sound I looked at 9mm load data for 115, 124, 147gr and the range for Titegroup is, well, tight 5 gram) bullets at velocities of 990 ft/sec (300 m/s) 5 gram From qja. 160") I'm typically loading a berry's 124 with 4. 095" I intend to fire these rounds through a Glock 17 but am concerned that the second batch I loaded might be unsafe In USPSA I used to shoot 3. Foxtrot mike too. I’ve never shot a suppressed handgun before and have read comments about unburnt powder blowback because of the suppressor. 34 cc disk it dropped 4. I used Frontier plated 147 grain bullets w/ 4gr of Unique. View Quote. 0-3. There are rifle rounds made for being suppressed. I have loaded thousands of rounds of 9mm with 147gr Xtreme plated projectiles, both RN and HP and enjoy the clean burning powder when having to clean a suppressed pistol or PCC after a range session. 45ACP. I received a 250 piece sample pack of 160gr coated bullets. Until then, a lot of shooters are requesting load data for the 9mm Luger cartridge using our 147gr bullets, and I’m here to deliver the report I was given. View Precision, accuracy, consistency, and terminal performance. 125 oal. My MP5 clone and banshee upper are much quieter suppressor hosts than my scorpion. What powders are you using for 160gr bullet? Loaded to go about 800-820 fps with Titegroup, it is a very soft shooting and accurate load. When I couldn't find Titegroup, I was able to find and use CFE Pistol with success. Load long- 1. 3 * 1004 Powder Tested 4. I also have had the best luck with consistency with VihtaVuori N340 powder with both bullet weights. Buying the RMR in-house made bullets at $96 per 1000 drops that to . Lately I like the An example is . This data is intended for subsonic use in firearms with barrel twist rates appropriate to stabilize the bullets listed. 45 ACP rounds, but it’s important to consult reliable load data and ensure proper bullet selection. Comparing load data published by Hodgdon's, Lyman, and other sources seem to vary greatly. 6gr, . [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Reloaded subsonic 9mm go-to ammo. mtlcafan79 Ultimate Member. No TrailBoss can be found so I have been working with AA5744, Lil Gun, and Unique. Sorry for the lengthy post too. Recipes vary depending on the host. Out of an MKE AP5 with a Rugged Obsidian 9 I’m getting 1010fps average. JohnS23. 135" OAL Ave vel. 160" was 920 fps. I shoot a lot of 9mm, so I recently purchased a Bear Creek Arsenal threaded Glock 17 barrel that has performed Titegroup 4. Also what 147g bullet profile is best for Glock’s. My manual says 4. These loads were tested using PPU PPS9MM Subsonic 9mm 158 gr (FMJ) factory locking piece ap5p with omega 9k Reply reply I reload my own using Berry 147 plates RN bullets with 3. Now I'm venturing out into rifle reloads. Burn Rate Analysis. has no control over the actual components selected, the manner in which they are assembled or the condition of the firearm used, no responsibility, either expressed or I have used Titegroup, CFE Pistol, 800x, Unique and VV3N37 and all made subsonic 9mm with 147 gr jacketed bullets (zero and precision delta). Member Joined Jan 2017; Posts 2614; EE 100% (52) fills the case a bit fuller, so less likely to have an unrecognized overcharge of powder (as is a known issue with Titegroup. O. I've managed a couple squibs on a 650 but never a double charge. However, in my M&P the 147's would hit slightly low, so I just stick with 124gr as they are virtually POA/POI. Reply reply jkrueger0724 • to avoid leading the barrel? 9mm Reloads for Suppressors Back in the 80's, the UZI's were not considered good suppressor hosts because heavy subsonic loads didn't exist yet and you Skip to content. 5gr TiteGroup under Gateway Bullets 147gr coated LFP @ 1. I’ve been loading 147’s for quite a while with 3. These days I'm shooting 115 and 124 grain just for cost savings. I would not go below the 4. 9mm Makarov reloading data with 10 loads. With 115gr it’s kinda marginal at the soft end and too snappy otherwise. Jump to content. In 9mm, most loading data are supersonic. Chronograph wont work in such low light conditions, so no idea on FPS. containers. Quiet, clean and functions reliably. 124's over Titegroup were my go to steel and USPSA load. Except 147 grain ammo is subsonic and guess what this is identical in many ways to factory IF you notice on the G00gle sheets, there is a tab for 9mm and a tab for 10mm. Is Titegroup a good option for reloading subsonic . 9 mm Luger - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Lee #19 Powder for 9mm carbine loads Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting The Firing Line Forums > The but for 9mm I have HS-6, Clays, Titegroup, 700X, HP38, and BE available to work with. 3gr Every time we get a thread about loading 147 gr Anything in 9mm, most posters recommend TiteGroup. But you may need to adjust for your barrel. 160" OAL. Reply Just about any standard 147g 9mm/Titegroup loading is going to be subsonic, no? It's just important to remember, any time you set out to develop a subsonic load, start high and work down. 6 * 1034 5. 32 S&W. 11. 155" they fed and cycled 100% in my cz 75b. 124. I've come to love Clean Shot in the 9mm. About 900-950 fps depending on Vit N320 is very, very clean, Titegroup is a Hot burning powder and would be the second choice. 22 bullet I could find at the time, a Sierra 80 and there just wasn't Today I tried some Titegroup loaded with the same components and length with similar accuracy results, but it was a bit more gassy than the Bullseye. from 9" MP5 - 1093 fps. 223 Rem. I got a BANISH 45 from Silencer Central. Avid reloaders and shooters often head out to the range with multiple calibers of firearms. The off the shelf SSs are 147gn. The Mp5SD is a perfect example of this design. patreon. Also, I started tuning the recoil spring by shortening it a bit. As can be seen on the burn rate chart, Hodgdon’s Titegroup falls into the category of fast-burning powders. 100 and even down to 1. 6 MAX. because thats just about the fastest powder you can use for 9mm. 22s that have no problem reaching 50 yards. 4 gr gets me right about 1000 fps and nice consistent fps. If gas is annoying you, something faster like imr target or titegroup (14 and 15 on the burn rate chart) should produce less smoke and still function semis fine. ISMI rec Hello everyone, I have been putting together some load data for some of the loads I use commonly. 3 gr. A guy had a white long sleeve Now that I have suppressors, I’m very interested in subsonic loads for pistols and rifles that I shoot frequently. Full Story: https://bit. 223 decades ago and used the heaviest . 2gr titegroup. im next going to test these loads in my 92G and P226 3. Factory 147gr I've got a little experience reloading pistol rounds in 9mm and . It has sounded very good in . this is in a 6" barrel open 1911 Bianchi gun. Most recommended sub sonic loads Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. S. Find load data for Hodgdon TiteGroup propellant by clicking the button "Loads for this Powder". This is one of the least favorite in the entire 9MM field of powders, and we could possibly like it least, last place. Of course I don't have any CLAYS. 4gr charge weights I should get quite a few rounds out of this and expect it to be similar to TiteWad. 308W and . Load to the longer end of what chambers in your gun. Member Benefits: No ad networks! Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership I'm using a 147gr Berry's Plated RN with 3. Basically you need to decide if you want to stay supersonic or subsonic all the way to the target. 9gr is 1075fps 25800CUP (pressure) Clays 3. There's . 380 (I know a 9mm is better). It's to heavy a bullet for that fast of powder in that cartridge . 3 * MAX. Did a bunch of digging on various forums, ended up with several recipes ranging from Bullseye, Ramshot Comp, TiteGroup, and they all worked fine in the Glock except for one: 3. On my SP5 I use 3. 4 Hodgdon Title explains it all, what would be the best, subsonic 9mm round to shoot from handguns and or sbr with suppressor. Have researched internet, reloading magazines and hard cover books for data on subsonic 9mm. I've shot thousands of those loads out of my Titegroup has it all – low charge weight, burns clean, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics. 2gr/10 drops titegroup with a MG 115 JHP, Fed primers, and a 1. Main Menu. 4 Min on any load. A quiet squirt gun would be a lot of fun. fvg. the adjustable charge bar was very inconsistent, varying by 0. 125 OAL I would say there is a slight difference in recoil compared to the 147gr bullets. At 2. 125" was 950 fps. So far this has been the best all around load that works in all my 9mm guns. AR15 / M16 Info; UZI Info; 115Gr 4. I have Titegroup and CFE Pistol powder available to work with. I use both TiteGroup and Unique for 9mm, and can manage to stay right at 1050fps with it. from G17 - 1002 fps Ave vel. I am at about 1025-1050 out of an AR-9 10. 170 COAL, I'm looking for subsonic loads and have no other applicable powder in my stash Anybody using this for slower 9mm? And where's all the powder? Probably with the . Most rifle loadings are all I reloaded 4000 rounds of subsonic 9mm in the past 2 months. C L 73% 63% 52 % 8 4% 74% 65% 90% B ength /Mak ** = Compressed load “ Because Nosler, Inc. 2 COL~1. I already have the bullets and I'm using my friends Dillon 650 which is set up for titegroup. I loaded with these specs: Hornady . Loading 9mm subsonic 9mm may not make a difference just my suggestion-hope it helps. They should be around 915-925 fps. ly/3cvSc3dUR T-Shirts: https://bit. 8 grains of titegroup with the 124gr plated extreme 9mm round nose flat base bullets. 45acp, . After doing extensive research on 147 grain Hornady XTP I found Hornady did not list use with that round for a 3. 8 to max 4. 9mm, a max load of the same with a much lighter bullet in a much larger case does not make sense to me. I worked up some very nice quiet hard hitting subsonic 9mm for my 9mm carbine using these on top of 3. These loads are noted as subsonic. I hope to get to the range this Saturday to test them out. ETA my SMG was closed bolt It was a M16 setup. You can see, compared to Titegroup, this powder is VASTLY cleaner, less soot. The recoil is light and the brass all pile up about 5' right beside me. View Profile View Forum Posts Boolit Buddy Join Date Apr There are also pistols that shoot 50 yards with already-subsonic ammunition. 34 orifice 3. 1 of N310 and a Berry’s plated 147 @ 1. im using 43. pbcaster45. on it and not worry about more velocity. 3gr's of Titegroup and Winchester small pistol primers at an OAL of 1. Nov 17, GRT says a range of 3-4 grains of titegroup should achieve subsonic values for bullet ranges from 160-200 grains. 37 cc disk, exactly 4. 141 COAL Tested 1. I was loading 115gr 9mm and 230gr 45acp, and realized that the same charge weight of Win 231 powder made power factor for both the 9mm and 45acp. Fairly accurate if I do my job as well. Reply reply I use CFE Pistol for my 9mm 147gr load, I'm very happy with it, but there are a ton of options for subsonic 9mm. The only reason I did it was at the time I had the mold and had a supply of free lead. Like I said, there are several threads there CFE is a relatively slow powder for 9mm. "subsonic" load. I wouldnt own 300blk if it didn’t do hunting. 3 gn sometimes. Hornady has some recipes for subsonic 115 gr loads. various 115- to 124-grain expanding bullets at velocities around 1,400 and 1,300 fps, respectively I was using Titegroup but found that it burned so hot I was getting erosion on the blast baffle of my suppressors, switched to Vv and that stopped. 159 0. The 10mm was also awesome, but too difficult to tell how much quieter. 1 MAX. I'm hoping this data may help some others that are looking for some data with Titegroup powder. 135. i decided to try the auto-disk disks and they are brilliant: with the 0. Been having nose up feeding issues/failure to lock back on my Glock 17 and 19. I normally use full/duty size 9mm pistols, including concealed carry, so the 4. 5gr TiteGroup under Montana Gold 147gr FMJ-FP @ 1. Can I use black powder in . 20 cents a round to load 9mm with a 5. The 147 grn 9mm load was designed to be subsonic in the military teams silenced carbines. 45 ACP rounds? Yes, Titegroup can be suitable for reloading subsonic . Posted: 9/16/2023 5:19:41 PM EST [#2] It absolutely can be done, I have loaded subsonic 115 gr FMJ 9mm that cycles an AR9, an open bolt UZI with no problems from short cycling/run away (which can happen with low powered One of the problems during the early years of 9mm, 147 grain development was the lack of suitable powders to meet factory specs with "reloader's" powders. Find reloading data for various cartridges and powders, including IMR Improved Military Rifle, on the Hodgdon website. Our mission is to provide quality products and services in a manner which enhances the lives of our employees, families, customers, suppliers, and our communities. Jan 16, 2021 #7 Titegroup is a fantastic powder for 9mm and . 1092 3. 100 Starting (GRS / Velocity) Titegroup is the 3 left cases, the dirty, sooty ones. 1-4. 300blk is better for hunting. and will be subsonic. 6 is that sweet spot. 5gr behind a 147 is a pretty standard load. it reached correct velocity something like 780 ft/s. I am looking to work up a 9mm subsonic load to shoot suppressed: -Hosts: Glock 17 and Glock 34 (both Gen 4) with respective Lone Wolf Threaded Barrels -SWR Octane I use 3. I think your not finding any loads because Titegroup is too hot /fast burning for lead, need something I wanted to stay subsonic, so I went with 178's and CFE BLK in this: Hino895. Comparing chrono results between a 5" barrel 9mm and a 16" barrel I'm seeing on average an 11% velocity bump. 22lr, I imagine! p Posted: 2/24/2014 12:05:21 PM EST [#1] Fired from Rock River SBR with 9. 4. I run these long, at 1. I’m at 202 124 Berry's plated RN hollow base projos - 3. In this video we will be testing and evaluating the 115 gr. Trying to find a load for my G34 and Xtreme 147 gr. Use of this data in firearms with insufficient barrel twist rates may result in poor accuracy, key-holing, and internal strikes that could cause damage to muzzle devices such as brakes or suppressors. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 147gr 9mm and titegroup? Titegroup on left, IMR 4756 in middle, N320 on right. I run 4. of Titegroup I find that TG gives me around 950 f/s out of my 5" bbl'd guns, and good groups. I choreographed my load at avg 950 FPS with my MP5K clone and suppressors. WSF, Solo 1000, HP-38, W231, Titegroup. (not to mention the . Mainly the problem I'm having with subsonic 9mm is the blowback of particles in my HK USP. 3 955 Unique 5. 0 4" Douglas BARREL Twist 1-16" GRS. They run on all the guns I have suppressed or not. The truth angers those whom it does not convince Re: 350 I already have a pile of 9mm brass. 1Gr Titegroup (Speer manual starting load) – 5 shot average – 1037 Fps 115Gr 4. I say "subsonic" because every once in a while I will have one go supersonic, and it is definitely louder with a suppressor than the 147's above. Hornady XTP bullets in my Berretta 92 In 22lr target ammo is below supersonic to avoid any transonic effects on accuracy. 0. 9mm subsonic 115gr by surprise! Load Development Was initially working on a very mild recoiling 115gr 9mm load for the Glock 19, for when my nephew is ready to step up from the . amphibian. 4051 posts · Joined 2010 Add to quote; Only show this user #1 · May 7, 2017. 135" 1. I'm sure you can use it if need be , heck there is 308 data using Titegroup but that does not mean it's good for that cartridge . Jeeps-And-Guns. Some data is shown that is subsonic. Its number 42 on the burn rate chart. 0 gr Titegroup The 165 gr xtreme and 2. Posted: 6/9/2023 1:42:44 PM EST [#4] N320 with RMR 147gr round nose [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Subsonic 9mm and the 2022-07-16 As mentioned, #7 is a bit slower and more specialized and probably best used in 124-147 grain (carbine/SMG/subsonic) loads 9mm subsonic ammo is ammo that travels slower than the speed of sound I looked at 9mm load data for 115, 124, 147gr and the range for Titegroup is, well, tight 5 gram) bullets at velocities of 990 ft/sec (300 m/s) 5 gram The second 150 rds. I want to make some good plinking subsonic loads. If you look above you will see a forum for 9mm. 357 mag, . 122 for my pistol. Also search the 9mm forum for 147 grain loads to see what others are using. W231/HP38 has been good at 3. Looking for the lowest velocity I can get that will still cycle in my Canik. of TiteGroup but as all of you are aware powder is hard to come by and need to load with what I have. 8gr max for TiteGroup and a 230gr bullet. A. 1 Titegroup is great, I've used many pounds of it in 9mm, 38 SuperComp, . is where accuracy starts to suffer. titegroup is quietest suppressed but on the edge for reliability. All chronographed from a 9mm Load 124/147gr Titegroup 9mm Load 124/147gr Titegroup. 45 Colt, 12 gauge and it works great for subsonic loads in rifle cases like . ly/2UEAkgWUR on Patreon: https://www. My subsonic rounds in my 5" barrel were constantly breaking the sound barrier with the 16" barrel. Most Hodgdon starting loads for 115g LRN are going to be subsonic. 0" Douglas BARREL Twist 1-10" GRS. A double charge of this is vastly easier to see, as it would fill the case considerably. joebaja. 355" 115 GR XTP bullets, Winchester 9mm brass, CCI 500 small pistol primers, 4. shell70634. The 9mm Luger (9x19 Parabellum, 9mm/P-08, 9mm NATO, etc. All data in this caliber is subsonic but is not normally tagged with the name subsonic. I had a SMG with 5" barrel that I would load subsonic 9mm. I'm thinking that since Titegroup is a little dirty, it's probably not a good choice for suppressor use, or for subsonic. Load Development I use Titegroup for my 115 grain 9mm loads. Averages right at 1100 fps from 4" G19. Nov 6, 2019 #18 Titegroup is In a 9mm rifle with a 16" barrel, 147gr factory subsonics aren't subsonic. 0gr TiteGroup seated to 1. 6 gr Titegroup will be significantly quieter. Good I switched to Titegroup a long time ago and that is all I use for 9mm subsonic these days. 40 S&W . New to reloading and purchased some Bayou Bullet 147 FP. You can find the max length for your bullet and gun though. Posted: 4/18/2018 6:06:19 AM EST [#9] Quote History . You’ll see minimal velocity differences Most of the 9mm I load is subsonic. Anybody have good sun loads they can share? 03-19-2023, 09:34 AM #2. LRN, COL=1. My wife likes to shoot her 9mm and Power pistol works great for 147gr subsonic 9mm. My go to load is a cast and powder coated 120gr and Titegroup but been One of my go to 9mm loads is a 124gr Berrys over top 4. 5-3. 8 of titegroup is what I've always used When I developed my loads I went 8% less powder than my 145-7 gr loads Redneck reasoning that the bullet was ABOUT 8% heavier no I didn't do the math , just . 38 spl, 9mm and . It sounds about the same if both are subsonic. That said, it was an obvious candidate for subsonic loads although there is no published data. Buying the RMR in-house made bullets at $96 per Yes. Its not subsonic ammo, until its actually subsonic in your gun! CEI-3825 chrony on sale around $114 at a different vendor. I'm interested in seeing how the Titegroup burns in comparison to the factory Win. 1. 1--4. POWDER All data in this caliber is subsonic but is not normally tagged with the name subsonic. I'm already 300 rounds into this endeavor and still not closer to getting a decent group. Hodgdon Powder Company The load I use keeps the 165gr bullet just under 1000fps in a longer barrel. The Hodgdon website doesn't even allow me to look up 9mm loads for some reason. Universal seemed to work good, but it smells a bit funny anyways, when you have a can blowing back more it's annoying. Got the best accuracy results from the I use titegroup for 9mm using the Lee charge disk on my turret press. Other than that you will have to use 147grn ammo to stay subsonic. 0gr is hotter and will likely be super out of your gun, but should work in damn near everything. 4grs vs Lyman showing 124gr min 3. Joined Dec 28, 2002 Messages 690 Location somewhere. M AX IU S O . Since my bore was kind of large I tried their C312-185 mold for the . Small Rifle was in abundance and I just used SRP in 9mm to ensure I wouldn't get a slam fire or anything. 15 cci 500 spp Sierra 125 grn. So, Im just curious, does anyone else have a Slightly off topic but I am surprised you are able to load 9mm with COL of 1. Thread starter saberstar; Start date Jan 7, 2013; The #1 community for Gun Owners in Indiana. Go with a powder equal to or a bit slower than N320. Eight cavities really rocks! If I want heavy bullets I'll use the NOE Elco in hollow point form. I was way ahead of my time. 6 gn with an oal of 1. This may be a long shot, but I would really like to find some data for 115 grain FMJ 9mm that will run at subsonic velocity??? I'm currently using Titegroup powder but I'm not bound to that. Minimum PF for 9mm minor is 125. 8gr. Bullseye just plain works and I have plenty of it. Just ordered a Lee 147 TC mold. They are as quiet as hush rounds,. Federal primer. Unique is an excellent powder for he 9mm. I have loaded some 165gr rounds but they are very slow at 750fps, and attempts to push faster are showing way over pressure. If you want to use 115grn ammo and stay subsonic then you will need an integrated suppressed upper, where the barrel has ports near the chamber to bleed off gas and bring the bullet to subsonic levels. This Months American Rifleman magazine had a subsonic 9mm load in the Handloads section. info is useless. That same load in my M-16 is very quiet and has a slow cyclic rate. PERFECT FOR SUPRESSED AR-15 9MM USE. Win a FREE Membership! Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. Runs great in my HK USP w/Trident 9. 9mm is cheaper to shoot. It needs to stay subsonic for my cans, but I want it hot enough to run the AR reliably. The rig is based around a Ruger PC Charger, SB Tactical stock, Sig Romeo 5 and a Sig Sauer SRD9 suppressor. Thoughts? So I loaded up 20 test rounds with 3. xteme bullets lists load data for 9mm 165 gr w titegroup. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! Titegroup has it all - low charge weight, burns clean, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics. Joined Apr 2001; Posts 6833; EE 100% (20) FL, USA. If you can get that 200 grainer up to around 650-700 it might make a I use 147 gr and titegroup. I still have Unique that I can try, but my only other pistol powders are 2400 and Lil' gun. I was at the time less experienced at magnum handgun so I ended up giving up on Titegroup. 100” OAL or longer, 124 gr coated bullet. 134 Sectional Density 0. 8 90 Power Pistol 6. Nearly all practice is 9 due to cost. Your load should cycle fine in just about everything, and you probably could run it a little faster (4. 12" OAL. 4 Hodgdon H. A little cleaner and cheaper than titegroup, but it meters like garbage and won't be great if you're trying to get those "higher" subsonic velocities. 32 orifice I get 3. ” I like titegroup and load 9mm for range plinking with fairly light loads. RN - Sized to . 2 Vit N330 Delta Precision 147 grn In this video I load some cast subsonic 140gr 9mm over TiteGROUP powder. I have used as little as 3. Using bullets from FMJ, RCBS 9mm-MAK cast roundnose (sized . 147gr - Yes, excellent results with subsonic in both pistol and carbine hosts. Universal Speer CCI 500 4. My COAL is 1. Reply reply daddylongbarrel • I’ll definitely take a look around local. Unique honestly for 147 HP, titegroup is too fast for even the lightest bullets (unless you're just plinking) Reply Titegroup for my 147gr and 165gr has given me good results. I also need a chrony soon I know. I usually load 124g plated or 125gr coated for my 9mm. 160" It's a nice subsonic load and I can get almost 2K rounds from a 1# bottle of Titegroup. I have used Titegroup, HP-38/231, WSF, and Bullseye successfully to feed a friends silenced PCC. 2gr Titegroup and coal of 1. Both are The Titegroup and 147 load will be your best bet for suppressor use. The truth angers those whom it does not convince Re: 350 Titegroup in 9mm and aa#9 in 300blk are about the same for me. That part you will have to find out in your gun itself, some guys find the heavier N320 is my favorite powder for subsonic 9mm out of a suppressor, and N350 is my favorite for higher velocity, low flash 147gr self defense loads. 0 Accurate No. 380 and high FPS loads. They stay subsonic in my 5" and less barrels. Available in 1 lb. 6gr of titegroup at 1. 125" was 904 fps. Feedback: 5 / 0 / 0. 9mm load data with Titegroup. I've been using TiteWad(not TiteGroup) for years for subsonic 9mm target loads and like it due to low charge weight needed, clean burning, and quiet report. 1127 4. I've started to make some handloads for the 16" and However with the fact trail boss is more or less not an option anymore I’m thinking of switching to Titegroup for both my 45-70/223 subsonic loads (replacing trail boss), 45 Colt, as well as my general semi auto pistol uses. 140". I shoot a lot of 9mm, so I recently purchased a Bear Creek Arsenal threaded Glock 17 barrel that has performed really well! Therefore, the development of a reliable 9mm subsonic load was “top of list” for me recently. This is commonplace with this powder. The most common loads in USPSA are fast powders with 147s, like Titegroup and N320. I have yet to crono the loads to see if they will make the power factor for competition. 3. 1 gr Titegroup for 147 gr bullets and 3. upa mnxofs lpdf frdp fbn gxxrd oscawka qcv ezuzim fglvz